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BassCat
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 Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: to read music |
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I'm trying real hard to learn to read music (in bass clef), but i'm not doing too well.
i know to read the first notes, but when it comes to different key signatures and transposition, i'm just getting lost.
is there a complete note chard in every key somewhere or something i can do to learn how notes are shifted in another key? |
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-Ryco
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Here's a groovy little site that does a nice job explaining chords, keys, scales and such....
http://www.teoria.com/
navigate to "Tutorials" and you will see menus to chords, scales, etc
Hope this helps
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cigarandyak
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yeah that is a hard task. Good luck. may the force be with you
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TheGanz
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I recently started reading as well, and I have found a book by Franz Simandl to be awesome. "Franz Simandl New Method for the Double Bass" this book was written in the late 1800s and teaches you a really awesome left hand technique that is great for reading. Check it out, it has really helped me, and I know exactly how you feel because I was plateau'd with reading before I got this book. Just practice with a metronome, and really concentrate on technique at a slow pace when you start with the reading.
Take care!
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nickonbass
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It's hard to learn to read if you can already play.
The main thing I found with it when I learnt to read was to just let yourself take things slow and do it as much as you can every day.
You'll pick it up if you put in the time.
At the end of the day it's just a matter of work. |
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Ninestring
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: Re: to read music |
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| BassCat wrote: | I'm trying real hard to learn to read music (in bass clef), but i'm not doing too well.
i know to read the first notes, but when it comes to different key signatures and transposition, i'm just getting lost.
is there a complete note chard in every key somewhere or something i can do to learn how notes are shifted in another key? |
Ok, think of it like this.
Each key has a key signature. ALL that means is you start and end on that key's letter name.
The key of C with no sharps or flats,and Db with 5 flats are exactly the same,but one 1/2 step apart.
C major scale
C D E F G A B C, the distance from
C to D is 1 whole step
D to E is one whole step
E to F 1/2 step
F to G 1 whole step
G to A 1 whole step
A to B 1 whole step
B to C 1/2 step
So if you line up the distance between each note used to sound like a major scale, you get
C D E F G A B C
1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
11 1/2 111 1/2 is your formula
to make a major scale in Db, you slide up one fret
start with Db, play the notes that land by using 1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
and you get
Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db
1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
as a result you get 5 flats.
So ,if you see 5 b b b b b as the key signature, you are in Db Major
Take F Bb Eb Ab Db Gb and use this formula
and you will see
F= b
Bb=bb
Eb=bbb
Ab=bbbb
Db=bbbbb
Gb=bbbbbb
or G=#
because G A B C D E F G doesn't equal
1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2 until you swap F# for the F
G A B C D E F# G
1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
D=##
A=###
E=####
B=#####
F#=######
C#=#######
Now no matter what note you start on on your bass, whatever you play is the same in any key
All the relationships between notes are the same in every key
If you see 3 b's ,key of Eb ,the three notes Eb,Ab and Bb are just names but the finger is the the same as if you were in C,but playing up 4 frets.
This should get you started. Send me a PM if you need to.
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Tucson Bass Player
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| TheGanz wrote: | I recently started reading as well, and I have found a book by Franz Simandl to be awesome. "Franz Simandl New Method for the Double Bass" this book was written in the late 1800s and teaches you a really awesome left hand technique that is great for reading. Check it out, it has really helped me, and I know exactly how you feel because I was plateau'd with reading before I got this book. Just practice with a metronome, and really concentrate on technique at a slow pace when you start with the reading.
Take care! |
Great suggestion from TheGanz. Frank Simandl book is great. TheGanz' advice on using a metronome is a must. Don't be afraid to go reeeeal slow at first and be patient. The best advice I have is to start a notebook with some songs your want to use to work on your reading. Regardless of your musical taste I would use classical music,etc. Not just rock music poking at 1/8th notes. And make sure you do it everyday! Even if you only have 10 minutes, read everyday.
If you don't have a metronome check out this link
http://www.studybass.com/tools/online-metronome/
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Flat Five
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: Re: to read music |
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| Ninestring wrote: | | BassCat wrote: | I'm trying real hard to learn to read music (in bass clef), but i'm not doing too well.
i know to read the first notes, but when it comes to different key signatures and transposition, i'm just getting lost.
is there a complete note chard in every key somewhere or something i can do to learn how notes are shifted in another key? |
Ok, think of it like this.
Each key has a key signature. ALL that means is you start and end on that key's letter name.
The key of C with no sharps or flats,and Db with 5 flats are exactly the same,but one 1/2 step apart.
C major scale
C D E F G A B C, the distance from
C to D is 1 whole step
D to E is one whole step
E to F 1/2 step
F to G 1 whole step
G to A 1 whole step
A to B 1 whole step
B to C 1/2 step
So if you line up the distance between each note used to sound like a major scale, you get
C D E F G A B C
1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
11 1/2 111 1/2 is your formula
to make a major scale in Db, you slide up one fret
start with Db, play the notes that land by using 1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
and you get
Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C Db
1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
as a result you get 5 flats.
So ,if you see 5 b b b b b as the key signature, you are in Db Major
Take F Bb Eb Ab Db Gb and use this formula
and you will see
F= b
Bb=bb
Eb=bbb
Ab=bbbb
Db=bbbbb
Gb=bbbbbb
or G=#
because G A B C D E F G doesn't equal
1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2 until you swap F# for the F
G A B C D E F# G
1 1 1/2 1 1 1 1/2
D=##
A=###
E=####
B=#####
F#=######
C#=#######
Now no matter what note you start on on your bass, whatever you play is the same in any key
All the relationships between notes are the same in every key
If you see 3 b's ,key of Eb ,the three notes Eb,Ab and Bb are just names but the finger is the the same as if you were in C,but playing up 4 frets.
This should get you started. Send me a PM if you need to. |
Apart from knowing the circle of fourths/fifths, a way of knowing what key you're in by the number of sharps or flats is to memorise the following:
For sharps, Father Charles Goes Down And Ends Battle
For flats, Battle Ends and Down Goes Charles' Father
If there are 3 sharps, then you just read the first 3 words(ie Father Charles Goes), take the first letter of the 3rd word(ie G from Goes)and then add a semitone. So the key is G# + semitone = A.
If there are 3 flats, then you read the first 3 words(ie Battle Ends And). Then take the 2nd to last one read (ie Ends). So the key is in Eb.
Personally, i think it's simply easier to remember the circle of 4ths/5ths, but that method may work betetr for some.
I recently read that in a book called "Bass Guitar" by Paul Scott |
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